To the Soriel shippers and Frans haters

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Edit: I wrote this journal 3 years ago. I think it's too much aggressive and cringy, and I will definitely write it once more someday. I just want you all to keep that in mind reading this. 


Hello. 

I decided that I should talk to you about this ships in the title. I just say things, why I DON'T ship Soriel, and why I ship Frans, and why you should stop hating this ship. Don't worry, I talk about other ships, like, I dunno, Charisk or Napstaton, or something like this. Let's do this shit.  

SORIEL 

Why I DON'T like this? 

Requested Duo Icon Toriel (And Alphys) Msn Heartbroken Emote Free Sans Icon 
In my opinion YOU shouldn't immediately ship this, because they are only fucking friends. They only see each other in Pacifist Run Ending. And that's the end. Yes, they talked to each other, BUT THEY NEVER SEEN EACH OTHER, ONLY THEY TALKED TO EACH OTHER. And before your write your smart comment, that so what, they like puns, no. Shut up. That means nothing if they share the same passion for joking, that does not mean that once they become a couple. DESPITE EVERYTHING, Toriel is still married to Asgore. There were no divorce, which means that the farther they are together. That's all for me. I'm sick of this fucking ship. No offense to people. 

FRANS

Why I ship this?

The lazy bones Sans Icon red heart bullet Frisk the Fallen Child Icon 
So, first of all: I think, that they are cute couple. The fact that some people draw Frisk or Sans taller is simply adorable! In my opinion, if you think that they do not match, I say: Opposites must attract each other :) Anyway, those, that they think, that Frisk is a chid, she can still grow up :D And now the arguments, that Frans haters must see:
  1. It is not pedophilia. Frisk doesn't have canon age. We decide whether Frisk is an adult or a child. Generally we play this character and takes on her. But before you say: "BUT EVERY KID HAVE STRIPED SHIRT! MONSTER KID SAY THAT!" No, you dumb fuck. It's a hint irony. Why? Since majority of people who play Undertale are teens and adults and are not kids. Not to mention he asks if you're a kid, which means he is still uncertain but the striped shirt is throwing him off. Thus Frisk being treated like a child can very well be irony simply due to how they're dressed. You're supposed to put yourself in her shoes. Sans is probably don't have canon age too, but I can be wrong. Write me in the comments. 
  2. If you say, that Frans is pedophilia, then how about a date with Papyrus?... The dialogue presented showed how Frisk had enough maturity to understand what was going on even if the date was just a joke! Surely Papyrus isn't a pedophile. Frisk was mature enough to understand the date, mature enough to flirt and act accordingly, etc. so they're probably a teen and up and understand romantic advances enough - something kids don't do.
  3. They go to a LUNCH like fricking TWO times. And Sans payes for our food, showed us his "shortcuts", MTT Resort looks pretty romantic, they sit in the most private place in the dining room, gives her advice and the file for the music in the MTT resort conversation is called "mus_sansdate". Any questions? Come on haters, try me. I have more fucking arguments to discuss about with you. 

Other ships 

Those who ships Asriel x Frisk or even Chara x Frisk or even Chara x someone 

Requested Duo Icon Asriel (with Frisk) Msn Heartbroken Emote Frisk the Fallen Child Icon  or Frisk the Fallen Child Icon Msn Heartbroken Emote Chara Icon 
OKAY, so first of all, who fucking ships dead person with alive person? Yes, I'm talking about both ships. It's called "necrophilia", you know. But's that's okay. BUT CHARISK?! No, it's not okay.This ship is "necrophilia"! And one more fucking thing: THEY LIKE THE SAME PERSON! No one is selfish like that, to love yourself! Well, except Mettaton. And generally you can't ship someone with Chara! She is a demon! Do you think that she would interest Frisk, or even someone else? She just wants to destroy everyone. She don't know what love means. Well, not that LOVE. But personally, I ship AsrielxChara, but Im not offending someone who ship that ships. I respect that. Im just having arguments why YOU SHOULDN'T ship this. And I have the same opinion about FriskxFlowey. Ugh, those vine tentacles. No. But comics with them they sometimes cute. It's not necrophilia as well.

Napstablook x Mettaton or Papyrus x Mettaton 

*Here comes Napstablook. [Transparent] Undertale - Determination | Red pixel heart | F2U Mettaton duo Icon (Napstablook)  or Mettaton duo Icon (Napstablook) Undertale - Determination | Red pixel heart | F2U Duo Icon Papyrus (With The Kraken) 
Napstablook x Mettaton: They are cousins ;-; But I still ship it, because it's cute. 
Papyrus x Mettaton: SHIP IT! 

Gaster x Sans

The lazy bones Sans Icon Msn Heartbroken Emote Gaster 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. 
But seriously, they like a family to me. Like dad and son? No, just no. Stop. 

Papyrus x Sans

The lazy bones Sans Icon Msn Heartbroken Emote THE GREAT PAPYRUS ICON 
THEY ARE A FUCKING BROTHERS, STOP YOU DIRTY SINNERS. No. Just no. I don't like it. I hate it. 

Muffet x Grillby

Muffet Icon Undertale - Determination | Red pixel heart | F2U  
Shh, I just ship it. Deal with it.

Grillby x Sans

The lazy bones Sans Icon   
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO  

Papyrus x Undyne 

   
I SHIP IT! And PapyrusxChara too. I know, that Alphys and Undyne are together, and I ship even AlphysxUndyne, but I can't! Just I ship it and deal with it.

Alphys x Sans

    
I don't have opinion about this ship. But it's okay for me, I guess. 

Papyrus x Frisk

   
I don't have opinion about this. It's cute and I sometimes ship it, I guess. 

Sans x AU Sans

       (And others)
It's the same with Frisk x Chara! THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. Papyrus and other Undertale characters counts too. 

Temmie x Annoying Dog

   
SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP SHIP. And one more thing: Ship. If you hate that ship, I warn you, that Temmie in Temmie Shop have picture of Annoying Dog. Satisfied? No? Then go fuck yourself. 

And that's all. Remember, I don't want to offend people shipping these ships or something, I just share opinon about it. So I'm really sorry if I hurt your feelings with this journal. I'm just sharing my opinion. 


If you want me to add some other ship that I don't include, write me in the comments.


I also wanted to add something very important to this journal about Frisk's age. So, here you go:


~ Toby fox himself said the kickstarter that called Frisk/Chara "child", as well as his tweets, are not canon.
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~ Straight from Toby Fox in the Undertale art book:
Everyone says the protagonist's sprite looks terrible. That's right. If it looks too good, you'll have a different expectation.
Toby wants players to decide who the character is on their own. The sprite was made as generic as possible for a reason. And the section, this quote is taken from? Labeled "Human." Just "human." The art cards have the character named "The Human." The game says "name the fallen human." Not 'the human child'.

~ Supplementary materials and the opening set-up for the game establishes one thing and one thing only. The character in a blue shirt with magenta stripes is a human. Not a child. A human. Citing character reactions as proof is biased evidence and has to be handled with care. Toriel calls the human "my child;" Sans says, "kiddo;" Monster Kid uses a monster-based social construct to identify the human via clothing and through no other physical factor or trait. The first two points are nicknames. The last, MK identifying the human's age through clothing is full of problems, especially if humans do not follow this convention, which we don't in reality. You want to apply that convention in game, then go for it, but that doesn't make your interpretation the only correct one.
~ Undertale is full of irony for the player's sake. Monster kid's phrase when pointing out the striped shirt thing is irony. He says "Yo! You're a kid too, right? I can tell 'cause you're wearing a striped shirt." which is a hint at irony since the majority of people who play Undertale are teens and adults and are not kids. Not to mention he asks if you're a kid, which means he is still uncertain but the striped shirt is throwing him off. Thus Frisk being treated like a child can very well be irony simply due to how they're dressed - because, pointing back to #1- Frisk has no actual number for a canon age.
~ Speaking of the striped shirts, Temmie is a canon Undertale character who goes/is ready to go to college, has a job and wears a striped shirt. A canon monster, of college age (typically 18-24), wearing a striped shirt.
~ Frisk (or Chara) are far too capable in-game to be a kid. They're very agile when dodging in battles and intelligent to comprehend all the information given to them. Kids aren't this capable, like it or not. Surely, they must be mature on some level.
~ Take a look at the canon art in the game. The war against monsters art in the intro. These humans shown in the war against monsters are definitely adults. Oh, but look at Asgore's height compared to the humans ( you can see a whole crowd, not just 1 person, so chances are that's an average person and not someone that's just short) in the art. Now look at how tall Frisk is in sprite-form next to Asgore. The pixel heights? Literally the exact same height difference as the adults in the canon artwork. Maybe it's not a coincidence and maybe Frisk is older than people assume they are? Chara is also 2 pixels taller than Frisk.
~ Along with the heights, Frisk is the same height as Sans. Surely, Sans isn't the same height as a 'little child' if he's an adult, is he?
~ Mothers use endearing terms for their kids. No matter the age. Toriel calls herself an "old lady". We all know the joke that old women/grandmas call young men "son-y" and things like that. That's exactly what Toriel does because Frisk is younger than her but it doesn't necessarily mean Frisk is only destined to be a child. "my child" is Toriel's endearing way to refer to Frisk, it doesn't have to be an age spectrum to go off of.
~ The child of a goat is called a "kid". As you know Toriel "adopted" both Frisk and Chara. It can fully be a little joke, knowing Undertale.
~ Frisk understands romance in ways kids don't. Frisk went on a date with Papyrus. The dialogue presented showed how Frisk had enough maturity to understand what was going on even if the date was just a joke! Surely Papyrus isn't a pedophile. Frisk was mature enough to understand the date, mature enough to flirt and act accordingly, etc. so they're probably a teen and up and understand romantic advances enough - something kids don't do. Papyrus not enough for you? Don't forget Alphys ALSO KNOWINGLY went on a date with Frisk when she confused Undyne's letter for that of theirs! She's a genius and still went on a date with a kid? Hm, I'm guessing she's not that dumb or gross so surely frisk can be way older than a child. Still not enough? What about the battle with the two royal guards? Frisk made Guard2 TAKE OFF HIS SHIRT so the other guard has a response, which is arguably a sexual response. Whispering "be honest with your feelings" to Guard1 means they understood what a shirtless Guard2 did to them. Kids would not understand this. Frisk had to be mature to a degree to know what physical desire looks like < something a kid can't do.
~ People seem to have no problem pairing Frisk with other kids ? Isn't that sexualizing two minors at once - how is that not gross? Then people claim those pairs are okay because they're not a ship while 'kids' they're a ship when they grow up... If Frisk can grow up for the sake of a certain pairing why can't they grow up for the sake of Sans x Frisk?

You can continue thinking the characters are however you like, but facts don't lie: the player gets to decide and until Toby intervenes, shush and allow everyone their right to interpret the canon openly.


Written by WhisperSeas on DA!

Also, on one of the discussion about Frans with some guy that I talked, I mentioned other person from Tumblr, called refrone. You should also check their opinion!
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frisk has been a confirmed child, just a fun fact